Tuesday, July 03, 2007

One Street, Two Ramen Houses

It's entirely too hot here to even think about eating ramen. Excessive heat advisories are in effect; the sun is shining; it's finally summer. And ramen. Well ramen isn't a summery dish just by the virtue of its design. But that's what happens when the weather catches up with a food blog backlog.

Not too many weeks ago, it was cool enough to enjoy a hot, steaming bowl of the good stuff; the Japanese antidote to the June gloom. And during two particularly chilly, cloud-covered days, I decided to explore Baker street in Costa Mesa, where there exists not one, but two ramen joints, separated from each other by mere blocks and competing for the same noodle dollar with heavyweight Santoka and Oki Doki (which are also in the neighborhood).

The first of which was a joint called Kohryu. Found on the corner of Baker and Bear, it occupies a seemingly cramped corner of a quiet strip mall. But once I stepped inside, I was surprised to see that the space opened up to a wider footprint, with more seats than the unassumingly tiny entrance led me to believe was possible.

I saddled up to the bar and ordered a Koi Ramen, which turned out to be just what I needed. The soup was murky white, like diluted milk, and harbored a savory pork flavor similar to the Hakata style of broth (where pork bones are vigorously boiled to give up their essence). But it was unlike it in two ways. First, it wasn't as sweet, exhibiting a slight bitterness which I found pleasant. Second, it was lighter on the tongue and not as fatty-rich, almost to the point of being watered down.

The noodles were also different. And on this end, I wasn't overly impressed. What was used were egg noodles; bright canary yellow ones, which were thick like linguini. And paradoxically, the strands got harder the longer it stayed in the soup.

The toppings were from the list of usual suspects. There was a pleasantly unctuous, fatty piece of pork; a half of a boiled egg, with a yolk that was just shy of set; and some crunchy strips of bamboo shoots.

What wasn't expected was the two variations of green onion. Some were freshly cut and others were purposely burnt black to embers. I liked the contrast, but figured out that it was probably these charred bits which contributed to the slight bitterness of the broth.

Down the street, hidden behind the Wahoo's on Baker and Bristol, is Mentatsu. This location has been home to many a ramen house. But its current incarnation is by far the cleanest and most hospitable of the lot. In other words, Mentatsu is spotless and bright, where before, under another name I can't remember, it was grimy and dark.

What I decided to try was the plain ol' Shio Ramen; a standby when you can't think of anything else to order. And the broth was clear, with a dark brown tint and a soy-sauce tang. Bubbles of sweet pork fat skittered across the top -- an indication that this elixir was full of flavor.

The noodle was nicely chewy, becoming more supple as I continued slurping, but the pork was lean; too lean. But bamboo shoots, green onion, the hard boiled egg were all present an accounted for, along with some of those pink-rimmed fish cakes. These exist merely for color, but one can't complain about its resilient texture, which playfully bounced between my teeth.

Both ramen houses have their unique qualities, but I will wait until the mercury drops before I revisit either one. But who's to say I can't have it, say, for a late summer supper when the sun has gone down.

(714) 556-9212
891 Baker St
Costa Mesa, CA 92626

(714) 979-2755
688 Baker St # 7
Costa Mesa, CA 92626


At 11:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just read the OC Register article. Congrats on that, it's a lot of hardwork, but we appreciated.

Great job on the writeup of these two ramen places.


At 9:31 AM, Blogger KirkK said...

Egad - Egg Noodles in the Tonkotsu Ramen! The Shio Ramen broth looked like it had a nice oil content....

At 10:32 AM, Blogger Christine D. said...

Last night/this morning I had a dream about shio and shoyu ramen, and this was BEFORE I read your post. I think that my subconsciousness subscribes to your feeds. =P

Happy 4th!

At 11:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't believe it...
this post was launched more than 12 hours ago, and Professor Salt hasn't responded yet!!

Only you can make anyone crave a bowl of ramen when it's so freaking hot outside!!

At 11:08 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Elmo, which of these two places did you like most?

At 1:48 PM, Blogger elmomonster said...


Thanks! It *IS* a lot of work. But it's still fun to me, so I'll keep on truckin'!


That broth was nice and oily. I would've drunk the whole thing down except that it would've gotten me too full.


I think it must! I hope to get inspiration from your subconcious for next week's post. Because I've got no clue what I'm going to blog about next.


HAHA! Well this post would be old hat to the Prof. He's done a ramen crawl through the neighborhood and wrote up an excellent post (and OC Weekly article) on it.


I think I'd say I liked both equally. A good bowl would have Kohryu's broth and pork, with Mentatsu's noodles.

Of course, Santoka remains my favorite ramen. Even if it costs a little more and the parking is horrendous.

At 11:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kohryu's Nira Miso Ramen used to be my absolute favorite under the original owner's management. They changed everything from their noodles to gyoza. It certainly used to be the best kept secret in the O.C. Ramen world but it is no longer... too bad we don't have any good ones left here. I guess I have to fly down to Tokyo for a real bowl of Ramen! ;)

At 7:39 PM, Blogger Wandering Chopsticks said...

Hey Elmo,
Wish I knew about these places when I used to live right down the street! Ah well, when are you going to do a Daikokuya run for comparison? :)

At 4:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah, will have to tuck this review away for cooler days - but thanks, Elmo!

At 10:19 PM, Blogger Rasa Malaysia said...

They are near my office, will have to check them out during lunch.

At 6:54 AM, Blogger Juliet said...

I love a bowl of good ol' shio ramen. LUckily, we have a wonderful, small ramen house just across the street from us.
Oddly enough, thoug, the best ramen I[ve ever tasted is in thhe food court at Mitsuwa Marketplace. The one in Arlington Heights, IL, that is.

At 11:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I apologize if this isn't the place to post this (and if I'm the last person to find out about this), but Honda-Ya is opening up a location this month in Little Tokyo. As in Los Angeles. Don't have the address on me, but it's on Alameda. :) (Make that one more place you can visit from Union Station.)

Personally, I'm somewhat torn by the news. On the one hand, it's great that a dinky little place from Tustin (and FV) could find its way to the 'other' county. On the other hand, it's no longer only in OC, which decreases the OC locations' value and uniqueness just a bit.

At 4:14 PM, Blogger elmomonster said...


Have you tried Santoka? If you haven't you've got to. Not sure if it'll be better than Tokyo, but it sure hits the spot (and saves on the plane ticket)!

Wandering Chopsticks,

I think I already know Daikokuya's going to blow these two out of the water. Now if only this high pressure system would just leave already! Come on cool air!


An untimely post, but definitely one that couldn't wait until it gets cooler. Mentatsu is liable to change hands by winter...it's been through different incarnations over the past five years. Curiously enough, they were all ramen shops.

Rasa Malaysia,

I like 'em both, but I love Santoka. I hear the fried rice at Kohryu is really, really good though. Made with butter.


Is the one in Mitsuwa called Santoka? If so, I'm not surprised. They're the best!


Oh I agree wholeheartedly. In some respects its good that Honda Ya is expanding...but I feel kind of protective of it as being a unique OC thing...I'll have to check it out (yep, via Metrolink). But really nothing can replicate the ambience of Honda Ya's current location. It's so organically part of that structure that it's hard to imagine how they can replicate it in a new setting in L.A.

Anyway, it's going to give Haru Ulala (which is I think in the same area) a run for its money.

At 1:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ooh, ramen wars! I haven't tried either of these places, but they sound worth checking out. Speaking of hot, I went to Gaja Okonomiyaki in Lomita last weekend, and realized all to belatedly that they don't have AC!! And you're basically sitting in front of a frying pan the whole time. Now THAT was hot, but it was still good :P

At 4:26 AM, Blogger IQ健康網 said...

Hi Elmo,
I know this is not a new post but I have to strongly strongly disagree with you on this post! (which makes me sad, because everything else you've recommended has been stellar)

Mentatsu is........HORRIBLE. I have never tasted such bad ramen in my life. Such bad gyoza. Such bad katsu curry. oh my!

It's absolutely horrifying that the chef doesn't realize how bad his food tastes. I brought a group of friends and felt so bad I treated all of them.


You can't possible compare this ramen to even Kohryu or shin sen gumi (and forget about any of the noodle shops in Japan)

At 5:06 AM, Blogger elmomonster said...


You too huh? The first time I went to Gaja, it was also during a heat wave. What a bad error in judgment on my part. My friends were all impressed with the food, but not the heat.


You may be right since I tasted exactly one bowl of ramen from each place. One is not a representative sampling. Actually, I think even if I tried three bowls from each, I doubt it will match my all time fave, Santoka!

At 2:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Elmo, get some pork marrow bones, Indonesian mee telur, a piece of Berkshire pork, slow cook everything in a crock pot. By late summertime comes, you'll get your perfect ramen bowl :)

At 5:56 AM, Blogger Juliet said...

Yeah, I think that was the name of the ramen place at Mitsuwa. I miss that place.

At 8:47 AM, Blogger elmomonster said...


Mmmm...if only I have the talent to turn those top-notch ingredients into ramen. You and Bee have the monopoly of blog cooking prowess.


Oh I'd miss Santoka too if I left the neighborhood. That's some seriously fine ramen.

At 11:22 PM, Blogger Chubbypanda said...

I like my ramen noodles al dente, or "hard" on the Shinsengumi menu. =)

At 11:53 PM, Blogger elmomonster said...

I like 'em nice and supple. Not so soft that I don't have to chew, but just enough so that I can revel in the ease of the dough.

At 12:22 PM, Blogger momopi said...

I recommend going there for ramen during lunch time. At night the parking situation is very difficult over there (speaking from one too many trips to manpuku...)

At 11:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree wit hzelik, Mentatsu is horrible. It's so horrible I feel it's my duty to post this. The miso ramen soup is sub-par with a grainy texture and poor miso flavor. The noodles are the bad hard with a poor texture, and do nothing to complement the flavor of the soup.

At 9:31 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah, Mentatsu Ramen is indeed awful. Both the Salt and Miso base were tasteless. The pork had to be the toughest dryest piece of meat I've ever had. I'm not even exaggerating here.

At 5:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

at mentatsu you have to try the mabo ramen!!! its to die for I get it everytime i've een there, i actually haven't event tried anything else because its so good


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